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Karan Singh
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Topic: What is God?Posted: 21July2010 at 5:07pm |
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I still have little problems with understanding what is God? I have readed many articles, some from Veer Bhupinder singh ji also, but still i doesnt get it. What is really God? |
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Ur Frnd - Jaspreet
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Posted: 22July2010 at 1:03am |
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Thats really good Karan ji
Problems are good, they help you move forward towards solutions :-) I think you have asked a wrong question. The right question is What God is not? Gurbani teaches: ਆਪੇ ਜਲ ਥਲਿ ਸਭਤੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਕਰੇ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ आपे जल थलि सभतु है पिआरा प्रभु आपे करे सु होइ ॥ Āpe jal thal sabẖaṯ hai pi▫ārā parabẖ āpe kare so ho▫e. The Beloved Himself is in all the oceans and lands; whatever God does, comes to pass. More ਸਭੁ ਹੈ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਹੈ ਪਸਰਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਬੀਜਿਆ ਖਾਵਾਰੇ ॥ सभु है ब्रहमु ब्रहमु है पसरिआ मनि बीजिआ खावारे ॥ Sabẖ hai barahm barahm hai pasri▫ā man bīji▫ā kẖāvāre. All is God, and God is the whole expanse; man eats what he has planted. Still not satisfied ਜੋ ਪੇਖਾ ਸੋ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥ जो पेखा सो सभु किछु सुआमी ॥ Jo pekẖā so sabẖ kicẖẖ su▫āmī. Whatever I see, is my Lord and Master God. ਜੋ ਸੁਨਣਾ ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ जो सुनणा सो प्रभ की बानी ॥ Jo sunṇā so parabẖ kī bānī. Whatever I hear, is the Bani of God's Word. So now tell me Karan ji, what God is not? Well, to simplify God is a comprehensive term just like Education Institutes comprising schools and Colleges Medicine - their r many different kinds of medicines Galaxies comprising various planets Living things Laws of nature comprising various laws Now God is simply a word to describe all. And people have various definitions of God Why? Because of limitations of their thinking. Example, In my business when I use word "network marketing", I receive shocking responses Some say: - Its about running after people - Some Companies fool people by offering them commissions to sell their overpriced products - Its about make use of people to make more money - Its fooling people by selling dreams of better lifestyle - Its making use of gullible people who can be easily fooled - Its this and that. However network marketing is simply a process of recommending and sharing some information about products and services with others and companies pays you for doing this if others purchase those products or services. Take another example, What is a book? Now, we can receive various answers like - book is a compilation of some chapters - book contains written information - book is boring - book is sleeping pill. So I read it every night - book is a way to torture children - Just as job is tension for adults, book is a tension for children - A book is a number of pieces of paper, usually with words printed on them, which are fastened together and fixed inside a cover of stronger paper or cardboard. - Books contain information, stories, or poetry. - When you book something such as a hotel room or a ticket, you arrange to have it or use it at a particular time The above 2 examples are just to show that the touch of our feelings affect the subject. Conclusion: If you have difficulty in understanding God, then that might be that you are unable to see the things in totality. Its like you are so close to the trees that you cannot see the Forest. God is within you God is within All... Others do contribute |
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For every minute you are angry with someone, you lose 60 seconds of happiness that you can never get back.
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Karan Singh
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Posted: 22July2010 at 3:06pm |
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Amazing
Thanx
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ashpinder
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Posted: 23July2010 at 2:57am |
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Thanks for sharing jaspreet ji
keep smiling
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what make some people dearer it is not just the happiness thaat u feel when u meet them but it is the pain u feel when u miss them
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Karan Singh
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Posted: 27July2010 at 3:34pm |
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Still little confused, i think i am getting it then again think i am not. God is everything, how the world was created is a part of god, how plants grow is a part of good, people die thats a part of god. The sun goes up, it is a part of God?
God - one man with power sitting somewhere and controlling everything Sikhismen think as god as a word to describe all and everything?? Do we not becomes atheist? because we dont belive in- God - one man with power sitting somewhere and controlling everything, but still we use to word god to describe all and everything... Edited by Karan Singh - 27July2010 at 4:18pm |
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Ur Frnd - Jaspreet
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Posted: 28July2010 at 12:23am |
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Karan ji
Kindly answer following questions for me. I just want to understand exactly what thought is capturing your attention. Is God male or female? Is God some one separate from its creation sitting somewhere else and controlling the universe or is God a system comprising the whole universe and its laws? Can God be affected by our prayers? Can God go against his own created laws just to serve a few people who consider themselves near and dear to God and spend major time in some Kind of meditation? Do God punish people? Do God love all people? Is God 1 or many? I mean are their many God and Goddess or just one? Do God have any particular shape, size, form or appearance? Or is it that we human give God shape, size, form or appearance as per our thinking and understanding? Karan ji, I think I have the answer to your question, but still to get you your answer, I feel it is important that you answer the above mentioned questions? Also, if others in the forum will also answer then they will learn more with wider thought process... Do contribute... |
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Posted: 28July2010 at 1:35pm |
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I know that answers very well, Mool mantar clear many of them =) Knowed them for years... Do you understood my question?
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Posted: 28July2010 at 1:39pm |
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Still little confused, i think i am getting it then again think i am
not. God is everything, how the world was created is a part of god, how
plants grow is a part of good, people die thats a part of god. The sun
goes up, it is a part of God?
God [what other religions see him as] - one man with power sitting somewhere and controlling everything Sikhismen think as god as a word to describe all and everything?? Do we not becomes atheist? because we dont belive in- God [what other religions see him as]- one man with power sitting somewhere and controlling everything, but still we use to word god to describe all and everything... |
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A Sikh sikhna all the time
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Ur Frnd - Jaspreet
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Posted: 29July2010 at 12:44am |
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Karan ji
One man sees God in 1 stone and another sees God in all stones including mountains. One man sees purity in some special water and one man sees presence in whole of water, the oceans One man believes God is far above in the sky controlling every thing Another man believes that God is far above in the sky as well as deep inside your own heart controlling every thing from within and without. One man believes God can be found my doing rituals another believe that God can be found simply by changing the way you see things. God dont have any particular shape or we can say God has all the shapes. Conclusion: Is second man atheist just because he has a wider vision and perspective about God? Just because he can feel the closeness and presence of God at any time and at any place without a need of going to the temple, mosque or church? Rather both are not atheist. An atheist is a person who believes that there is no God. Both above mentioned persons beleive in presence of God but the vision is broader or smaller. Example, Can the intelligence, awareness and understanding of a person studying in Standard 1st be compared with a person studying in Standard 10th? One is learning alphabets and another is learning accounts. |
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Karan Singh
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Posted: 29July2010 at 3:02pm |
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as always, a awesome answer :D
Now I am back to the first question i asked again:s What is god?(still the wrong question) I will keep reading Gurbani, understand it and follow it so much as i can and hope one day i really understand what god is =) |
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Posted: 30July2010 at 12:46am |
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:-)
Karan ji, in Jap ji Sahib, you will find ਕਿਵ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਾ ਕਿਵ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਕਿਉ ਵਰਨੀ ਕਿਵ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ किव करि आखा किव सालाही किउ वरनी किव जाणा ॥ Kiv kar ākẖā kiv sālāhī ki▫o varnī kiv jāṇā. How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How can we know Him? ਨਾਨਕ ਆਖਣਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਇਕ ਦੂ ਇਕੁ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥ नानक आखणि सभु को आखै इक दू इकु सिआणा ॥ Nānak ākẖaṇ sabẖ ko ākẖai ik ḏū ik si▫āṇā. O Nanak, everyone speaks of Him, each one wiser than the rest. ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਵਡੀ ਨਾਈ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਹੋਵੈ ॥ वडा साहिबु वडी नाई कीता जा का होवै ॥ vadā sāhib vadī nā▫ī kīṯā jā kā hovai. Great is the Master, Great is His Name. Whatever happens is according to His Will. ਨਾਨਕ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਪੌ ਜਾਣੈ ਅਗੈ ਗਇਆ ਨ ਸੋਹੈ ॥੨੧॥ नानक जे को आपौ जाणै अगै गइआ न सोहै ॥२१॥ Nānak je ko āpou jāṇai agai ga▫i▫ā na sohai. ||21|| O Nanak, one who claims to know everything shall not be decorated in the world hereafter. ||21|| So, my suggestion to you is: Dont waste time trying to understand what is God? How will you major the depth of ocean or hight of sky? ਲੇਖਾ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਲੇਖੈ ਹੋਇ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥ लेखा होइ त लिखीऐ लेखै होइ विणासु ॥ Lekẖā ho▫e ṯa likī▫ai lekẖai ho▫e viṇās. If you try to write an account of this, you will surely finish yourself before you finish writing it. ਨਾਨਕ ਵਡਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪੁ ॥੨੨॥ नानक वडा आखीऐ आपे जाणै आपु ॥२२॥ Nānak vadā ākẖī▫ai āpe jāṇai āp. ||22|| O Nanak, call Him Great! He Himself knows Himself. ||22|| Instead why not prefer to understand Who are YOU? That way you will learn more and understand more. ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਨਹੁ ਇਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਬਤਾਈ ॥ बाहरि भीतरि एको जानहु इहु गुर गिआनु बताई ॥ Bāhar bẖīṯar eko jānhu ih gur gi▫ān baṯā▫ī. Outside and inside, know that there is only the One Lord; the Guru has imparted this wisdom to me. ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਆਪਾ ਚੀਨੈ ਮਿਟੈ ਨ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕੀ ਕਾਈ ॥੨॥੧॥ जन नानक बिनु आपा चीनै मिटै न भ्रम की काई ॥२॥१॥ Jan Nānak bin āpā cẖīnai mitai na bẖaram kī kā▫ī. ||2||1|| O servant Nanak, without knowing one's own self, the moss of doubt is not removed. ||2||1|| Others do contribute... |
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Again, amazing :D thanx
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